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Is religion the cause of all (or most) wars?

I was thinking tonight about how it’s often said that religion is the reason most, of not all, wars are started. So I thought I’d start some discussion on the topic.

It seems to me that most wars are started due to the drive to have power over others and make economic gains. I’d love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!

raines 4 Aug 23

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Greed is the cause and religion the excuse.

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More like an excuse.

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I don't think religion starts wars. I t is always to do with overtaking territory. Spouting religion is just a convenient ploy to distract from what is really going on. The more land you are in control of, the richer you are.

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No..greed and power is, but religion is a great way to manipulate the population into doing the killing for the powerful people who start the wars.

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Cause of many. Justification for most.

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No, people and politics. WW1, WW2, American War of Independence, American Civil War, 100 Years War, Napoleonic Wars, Punic Wars, and so on...

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Religion has not caused wars as evidenced by the fact that Sunni and Shia Muslim religions are the same except for a disagreement over who was supposed to succeed Mohamud, yet they have no problem killing each other with abandon. It would also be a stretch to blame Japan's territorial expansion and Hitler's madness on religion. Wars, I would surmise are caused by different tribes appearing to be "different" from my own.

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Wars are caused by greed, the lust for power, for resources.

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No, only about 8% of wars in history were caused by religion.

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Humans would find "reasons" for wars sans religion.

I agree. The human primate (and the others also) are territorial...seeking to drive off those who seek to occupy the same territory.

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Yes, the drive to have power over others and economic gains Is religion in my book. And not leadership.

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Nah, competion for resources. Follow the money. Religion is just more publicly acceptable than 'we wanted to kill them so that we could take their stuff'.

@raines more just the moral equivalent of the sports kit that football hooligans wear.

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National boundaries and territorial appropriation have caused many, long before any of the theist religions came to be invented there were wars. It was usually about dominance and conquest. Since the advent of Christianity there have been countless religious wars waged such as The Crusades in the 12/13th centuries, but it is only cause in part. As is usually the case in these sort of arguments, it is much more complicated and usually includes power struggles and politics. These things are never back and white. So yes I concur with your conclusions.
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Here's my take on things:

Hit the nail on the head. Cute cartoon.

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I think people are good at inventing reasons to fight regardless. Religion is awful and makes it easy to come up with excuse, but it seems the willingliness of obliterating each other runs deep in this species.

Nada Level 3 Aug 24, 2018
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The simple anwer is a definitive NO.

Political power, territory, resources. These are the roots of most wars. Religion is frequently used as a tool to ensure the war gets fought, or that animosities are fully fueled for those on the battlefield and their families so that enthusiasm for the war doesn't wane. But it is not often the cause, in and of itself.

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I'm going to go with greed. Land, money, power, etc.

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Not the cause, but they help to gather the excuse and to gather people around the fight.
The real cause is always power, resources etc.

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Leading writers like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens think so. Examples are The Crusades (Christians vs. Muslims), the 30 Years War & the "Troubles" in Northern Ireland (Catholics vs. Protestants), India and Pakistan wars (Hindus vs. Muslims), Israel vs. Egypt & other Arab neighbors (Jews vs. Muslims), the war against ISIS (Christians vs. Muslims). The "War on Terror" is really the "War on Religion" (radical Islam) but governments and newspapers do not like to use the word "religion".

Disagree. I noticed you did not included WW1 and WW2. Many years ago "Leading Writers" claimed the Earth was Flat and that god existed. Still today "Leading Writers" claim there is a god. Simply disagree.

@GipsyOfNewSpain I didn't include WW1 and WW2 because they don't apply. WW1 started due to an assassination and WW2 due to power crazed Hitler. The logic of your disagreement is not clear. Have you read any of Harris, Dawkins or Hitchens books? They make very strong cases for correlation between wars and religion.

@BrooksR You asking me to read your bible? I need no false prophets to tell me how to think. No god, no religion, no greed, no prophets or heroes, no bromance, no masters to bow to or messiahs to pray to. My Final Answer. Give a monkey a book, 'will feel enlighten!

@GipsyOfNewSpain No reason for you to read books - you know everything. Must be nice.

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Power and economics are the cause of war. Religion is used as an excuse to justify it.

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More people have been killed in the name of a deity than for any other reason. Mostly wars.

Probably not true. WW1 and WW2 accounted for millions alone.

@Geoffrey51 those were only two wars. Hitler himself said he was on a mission from God.

@TheGreatShadow Weren't religious wars though

@TheGreatShadow And George Bush said the same thing.

@BrooksR Him and Tony Blair have a direct pipeline to God... so they claim...

@TheGreatShadow Quote a leader at war that was not on a mission from god... exept Stalin.

@TheGreatShadow "George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and Christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd." - Sam Harris

@GipsyOfNewSpain Damnit! Stalin was my answer... he killed people not in the name of athiesm, but he was just a bad person.

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Religion is cause of war

Interesting point. What evidence do you base that assumption on?

I would say religion is the convenient excuse for war.

Yes sir .

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Yes, Because religion is control, control is power, power is greed.

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Wars are usually regional while religion is also regional. Correlation not causation.

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The irrationality caused by religion causes people to act in destructive ways, including going to war. The fact that they don't believe that they're really going to die encourages aggression. For example, in a first person shooter people are much more aggressive than they are in real life.

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