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LINK Evangelical Christians Helped Elect Donald Trump, but Their Time as a Major Political Force Is Coming to an End

Barry Goldwater, predicted in 1994: “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem.”

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They're going to hell for it, too (except, y'know, for the fact that there is no such place...).

(Well, there's Hell Michigan, but I don't want to encourage them to come up here...)

Paul4747 Level 7 Jan 28, 2019

I don't really follow politics closely enough to comment knowledgeably. I can only hope that evangelical christians will go down along with the whole Trump administration & Trumpism-at-large. However, since we've slowly but surely been hoodwinked into believing that "the U.S. was founded on solid christian principles" over the last 150 years, it doesn't strike me personally that religion & politics will soon be separated.

Lucky57 Level 4 Jan 21, 2019

Time will tell. The elite evangelical leaders are filthy rich, and these charlatans have become masters of manipulation. I am a bit skeptical as well since we are living in a post-truth time that closely resembles the movie, Idiocracy.

@VictoriaNotes What's amazing is that the lower & middle classes willingly heap their hard-earned money upon the filthy rich evangelical leaders, actually believing that the money goes to good cause. Or that the televangelists' "prayer lines" will actually say a prayer for them - for $10 or $20! I'm thinking Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson - and can you BELIEVE that Jim Bakker is back in business?! It's like the "indulgences" the Catholic church used to take back in medieval times.....religion is such a poison, & such a blight upon our society. To this day I remain dumbfounded by the insistence of the conservative right to mix religion & politics. It's just plumb nauseating.



Alisha Level 1 Dec 23, 2018



I would have to say that sadly, that is likely mostly wishful thinking. These bastards get their money from the churches, who have no taxes to pay, thus giving them a huge advantage in a political system thats lifeblood is cash. The only way to defeat these bastards is to destroy the foundation that they thrive upon, their foundation of lies, and wake people up to what they are doing. Destroy their base, their cash source, and expose them for the charlatans they are. This is a battle, and until we see that, and act, they will keep on doing what they have been doing.

Churches receive federal funding:
Recruiting pastors to run for political office

THHA Level 7 Dec 23, 2018

He repeats "fear of the lord" several times. The one thing they prioritize and promote is the propagation of fear --- not love, not peace --- fear!


I suggest that you look into Mark Blyth on Youtube and he'll explain how Trump isn't just an American problem, but a bigger problem of austerity world wide.

I've seen several of Blyth's talks, and I concur with him. This article wasn't about how austerity is only an American problem, or that Trump is the main cause of our problems. He's a symptom.


I sure hope so.

Veazeyj Level 4 Dec 21, 2018

Not damn soon enough. This movement has already done incalculable damage to the American political landscape.

SonofMax Level 7 Dec 19, 2018

There are a lot of sheep ready to be led around...

jimgyp Level 3 Dec 18, 2018

& what's funny is that evangelical christians consider us to be the "sheep."




I remain convinced that Christian fundamentalism is an unsustainable movement whose days are numbered. I just don't know what the number is, and I don't know what sort of dystopian bullshit we'll have to endure before it breathes its last. Naziism wasn't sustainable either, but look what humanity suffered because of it in the meantime.

There are still a dozen scenarios that look plausible to me for how Trumpism will play out, and 8 or 9 of them are not remotely good. And that's just Trumpism. It's not like that's going to go away with Trump. Trump was a symptom, not a cause. The next asshat who tries to take over the joint might have more talent and discipline and courage of his convictions than Trump -- he might be less of a buffoon and less queasy at the sight of blood. Or ... he might just revert to a less overtly sociopathic agenda (Pence, anyone?).

mordant Level 8 Dec 18, 2018


@VictoriaNotes There's something about his facial structure and how he uses it that is deeply unsettling.

Experts disagree on whether Pence will be caught in some career-ending perfidy as a side effect of the various investigations swirling around Trump. Seth Abramson, who is usually spot on, thinks probably not. He points out that Pence has a talent for being somewhere else when particularly questionable things are going on. And he seems to have taken the VP job in hopes that it would be a path to the Presidency. On the other hand, equally credible people like Lawrence Tribe see legal trouble for Pence in some of the recent filings, so I'm calling 50/50 odds that Pence goes down with Trump and gives us President Pelosi, if only briefly.

President Pence would be his own set of problems, he'll pursue at least a clandestine theocratic agenda, his ideology is extremely rigid fundamentalist. And as ... shall we say, flexible ... fundamentalism has been in rationalizing openly hateful actions and rhetoric, that's a big concern.

However ... one problem at a time. Some people think Trump won't even run for re-election, others think he'll do it just to avoid jail for another 4 years ... and so many of Trump's illegal acts are being exposed that impeachment may end up being a real threat. Almost no matter what happens, the GOP and anyone associated it are mortally wounded whether they realize it yet or not.

@mordant Please excuse the crude expression, but Pence is probably creaming in his jeans over the prospect of becoming the president. He'd likely throw Trump under the bus in a heartbeat to "further the kingdom."

"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy."
U.S. Representative Christopher Shays, R-CT, (New York Times 3/23/05)


Interesting post, thank you!

Byrdsfan Level 8 Dec 18, 2018

Thank you for taking the time to read it.


Goldwater was right on this one.
However, I saw this same prediction before the 2016 Election. So I'll believe the end of the Christian Right when I see it.

Hastur Level 7 Dec 18, 2018

I also read this just the other day. Hopefully, without it goes out like the proverbial lamb and not the Lion.


I would really like to think that my country is moving towards a more secular philosophy, generally speaking. But, my own experience with the folks who really hold the reins that guide our land are pretty devout, and rigid in their beliefs. And, they tend to nuture, groom, and promote folks just like them. I speak of the professional bureaucrats and military. The ones I worked with were almost fanatic in their Christian beliefs and dogma. I don't see that as rapidly going away.

I'm a bit skeptical, myself. The evangelical movement is filthy rich and has a huge (religiously conservative) legal team, Alliance Defending Freedom. They are a “nonprofit” organization with the stated goal of “defending the right to hear and speak the “Truth” through strategy, training, funding, and litigation. Southern Poverty Law Center has described the organization as “virulently anti-gay”. They also vehemently oppose a woman’s right to her own body.

The American Prospect writes: “Flush with cash and ancient hatreds, American evangelicals are incubating a Christian right in secular Europe. Cumulatively, their victories may be changing the global climate on some of the biggest social issues of our time. ”

In the Sidney Morning Herald, it stated: “The ADF attracted notoriety in 2014 when a reproductive health group discovered in its literature a passage declaring that it “seeks to recover the robust Christendomic theology of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th centuries.” It was also noted on the ADF website.

James Paul, former executive director of the Global Policy Forum in New York and a prominent thinker on the globalization of the Christian right stated: "We have a conservative period now in history — a substantial movement to the right around the world."

The ADF is responsible for writing the bill in Mississippismile055.gif"Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination Act."(HB 1523). Governor Phil Bryant signed the bill (which is now law). It is one of the most overtly discriminatory laws in the United States. It's legal to discriminate in the state I live in. They were also responsible for writing the bill: "First Amendment Defense Act" (H.R. 2802).

The bill is nearly identical to HB 1523, except it will make it legal to discriminate nationwide. FADA was introduced in the Senate by Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) on March 8, 2018. It doesn't just target LGBT people, but also unmarried couples cohabitating or anyone who has had sex out of wedlock.


Speaking of the Military, have you seen this?


The mid 2000s, I was involved supporting the SAF as a senior military advisor (contractor). The flag rank officers and senior civil servants I worked with were all dogmatic in their Christianity. One general I worked closely with was re-assigned to our staff from being commandant of the USAF Academy. He was removed for forcing evangelical Christianity on the student body. His 'punishment' was working closely with me for 6 months, after which he got his second star and command of the tactical part of the USAF in Korea. He was thrilled to be back in an F16.....

@bigpawbullets Wow! Thanks for sharing.

I believe you are correct...sheep.

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