Have been shot at, never hit. I was a bank teller back in the days when we had guns in our drawers. We gave them up voluntarily, in fact we imposed their removal on our employers. Less chance an armed robber will shoot you if he knows you are unarmed, plus the chance of your own gun being taken and used against you. Also, if I have a gun, and he doesn't and I get shot. Whose gun did I get shot by?
I'm not a veteran. But I've been a teacher. And as such I think that the idea of arming teachers is an absolutely idiotic, asinine, and ridiculous idea. It would not work on a college level; it would not work on a secondary school level. I ceratinly would not feel safe on a campus where I knew my fellow profs to be armed. And I would not feel that would facilitate free and open debate in my classrooms. And what about possible student pranks? Those do occur. And the potential ramifications from a student using a stolen teacher firearm in an incident should give administration pause, if nothing else.
Besides the burden of being expected to handle a high-powered weapon and in crisis NOT accidentally shoot any of their students, there's the danger of how to secure their weapon. Students would certainly know the weapons were somewhere there in the classroom, increasing the odds that occasionally, one would find a way to get their hands on one.
I have shot a RPG and AR15, and ridden in an Abrams tank. Civilians don't need that crap, but the NRA and the military industrial complex keeps churning out this stuff and needs to find a market for it. We don't go to war for cause anymore, we go to war to support the business of war. Gabillionaires are making money off of war and misery. This needs to stop.
I completely agree...the POWERS THAT BE, are grasping at straws! The country has gone mad! Can't you just see cross fire in a school full of scattering schoolchildren? If the gun is locked up by the time it could be retrieved, many people could die! What teacher can be focusing on her class room studies and keeping an eye out for someone that might show up with a gun? She/he would even get the blame if the shooter couldn't be stopped! This is a disaster and beyond shortsighted! And MORE IMPORTANTLY, what kind of message does it send to young kids...that they must have armed people protecting them at school, because it is a dangerous place! This is insane! This is not Barbarianville! And it may be a dark day, but...it is not the dark ages!
There was a deputy at that school in Florida. A trained law enforcement professional with decades of experience. He had body armor, a variety of less than lethal weapons, and a pistol. This man was as prepared for a major event like that as any person there could be. He hesitated for 4 minutes. 240 seconds, 240 bullets, 12 dead children before he tried to do anything at all.
How in fuck is a social studies teacher supposed to fight off a gunman?
OK, the idiots allow teachers to be armed and a school shooting like the last one in Florida where 17 students were killed goes down. What do the cops know when they invade the scene? I'm sure they will immediately recognize the black man with a gun as a teacher. Of course they will. Their extensive training gives them ESP. There is nothing to fear here, folks. Let's go ahead and arm the teachers.
The above is just one senario. There are more.
This stuck out at me: "...According to an FBI study about active shooter situations, police officers who engaged the shooter were wounded or killed in 46.7 percent of the incidents. We’re talking about individuals who are specifically trained to respond to these situations and not teachers trained over the the weekend or during summer break...." And just so to complete the reference, here's the FBI document on that actual study (as linked by the article): [fbi.gov]
I'm hoping that this article managed to reach some on the pro-gun side. Although, as someone else on this site has said: "If they're not gonna budge with dead kids, they're not gonna budge."
The whole ideal is just a sign of how insane this country has become, totally devoid of rational thought. The right is dragging us down because they are more and more running away from rational thought. Closing themselves in a bubble of a made up reality where facts are attacked and distorted so much that stupid ideals like these start to sound good. After a good dose of Fox news and Alex Jones they are ready to buy into anything thrown their way, the more hate the better.
I taught military cops and others as a small arms instructor during Vietnam. I haven't been shot... I know a lot of people who were shot at, sometimes hit, and at least one guy who blew most of his own bicep off pulling his cocked and locked service pistol. (1911) From my perspective, safety was and is the number one concern. A few years ago, we had a (civilian) instructor shot and killed demonstrating a poor practice. A year later, in the next class of potential troopers, another instructor was demonstrating what went wrong, and promptly shot himself, in the exact same way. There were people who really, REALLY should know better. Teachers are NOT cops, nor instructors of small arms or the use of deadly force. Not the ones we are talking about. Then there is the question of, how do you make damned sure the weapons are secured at all times? And if they ARE really secure, how do you use it in a unexpected hurry? You don't. If we MUST have deadly force in schools, I want it a fully trained and sworn peace officer. Not the gym teacher. My two cents.
It galls me when someone says to own a gun is a GOD given right. Nobody has a right to own anything. I don't care what the founding fathers thought. They were wrong about so many things and times have changed. They also thought they had a GOD given right to own other people. Does that make it right?