In a timing coincidence, both Twitter [blog.twitter.com] and Facebook [washingtonpost.com] announced new censorship rules on what they define as "hate speech". Twitter says they are simply expanding their definition to include race and give examples such as "All [national origin] are cockroaches who live off welfare..." and "People who are [race] are leeches...". In a similar move, Facebook is changing their "hate speech" algorithms to depriortize hateful comments against Whites, men, and Americans. Does this perhaps signal that these groups are fair game for "hate"?
I stay away from the septic tank called Facebook, it's a monolith of populist stupidity.
Plus they sell your personal information to anyone with $$.
I also avoid ALL right wing media for the same reason, but at least they're honest about being lying cheating MF ers.
My first thought is since they own the network, they get to moderate it as they see fit. I don't have a problem with that. If their rules negatively affect my experience as a member I will cancel my account. If it negatively affects enough people, they will change the rules.
A lot of xstian conservatives are now joining a conservative media platform. We have agnostic.com.
I don't have a problem with them going after hate speech. Nor do I have a problem with them depioritizing speech against the privileged (whites, men, Americans). They are a private entity and set the rules as they please. If you don't agree you are welcome to not use them. I see social media venues as a "private party", your host says "this is how we all will behave or you will be asked to leave". Agree or go home.
And for all the people who do not understand the Constitution... the "free speech" line is only for "not" being persecuted by the gov for your words. It doesn't cover anything else, so please don't throw that down.
It is SO unfair to ban white supremacist social media posts that incite violence against black and brown people and to simultaneously allow criticism of white supremacy. I mean, can you imagine if newspapers banned advertisements and editorials calling slaves inferior, and offering bounties and lynchings of escaped slaves, but allowed abolitionists to rally a nation for all black people to be free? It is despicable to think about it!!!!
As for facebook, I have to agree that in terms of priority saying derogatory things towards "White American men" is less harmful than saying derogatory comments towards "non-white foreign women" for the simple reason that white American men have more power, and thus more protection, than their counterparts in the US.
An analogy off the top of my head is a fire department responding to two fires. One fire has a sprinkler system while the other does not. I don't think anyone would think less of the fire department if they prioritized the house without the sprinkler system over the one with the sprinkler system. this does not mean they will not attend to the one with the sprinkler system, but they will attend to the one without first.
Likewise if two comments are made such as "all black foreign women should die" versus "all white American men should die", I don't think less of prioritizing the former population over that latter given that the latter population has more tools to take care of themselves and that historically the threat against the former population is more likely to be realized than the latter
I still use Facebook and I use it often. No one deletes any of my posts and when I get a troll I just block them.
Guidelines are going to be very hard for Facebook to actually enforce equally because they're relying on individuals to do the enforcement. I'm sure they have some algorithms to catch keywords but I'm pretty sure a real person decides whether or not it's used inappropriately. I am actually thankful that they are trying to moderate the hate.
Just like government any business without rules and regulations will be inundated with a buttload of misuse.
To paraphrase Churchill:
‘Many forms of Social Media have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that Facebook is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that Facebook is the worst form of Social Media except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Recently l had a warning on Facebook before I could make my post. It was a political post, but the sentence.in question was "you're a dirty beyatch" not even the word bitch. It said I had violated community standards and offered me to edit before I posted. I removed the nasty line and cleaned up the comments before I posted. My opinions weren't scrutinized, my nasty wording was. I shouldn't talk that way, but it freaked me out that big brother in the form of an algorithm bot was watching. I'm not sure what to think.
I like this site and slug because I've never been reprimanded by admin. I've pushed the envelope a few times, more so I've gotten flamed cursed at, called a commie, a fascist, a racist, an Islamaphobe, a libtard a freeloader on the public dole. None of which are true. I've been told to go f#ck myself, and worse. I try if I'm going to be mean to anybody, to word it properly so as to not be provable. I've never reported anybody. I just block them if I can't take it anymore. Facebook kind of sucks. Twitter doesn't appear to use algorithm, the rely on reporting posts. I like the way you run these sites.
I guess the "Assbook and Shitter fuck up everything they do, including policing hate speech" option falls under "Something else, comment below".
I got thrown in Assbook jail for 24 hours after writing "Fuck Christians" in the comments of a friend's post (kind of lost my temper at something and just banged it out and hit enter) and I know people who got thrown in AJ for saying nasty things about Nazis. Hell all you have to do is mention Hitler, in just about any capacity, and there you go, your account is suspended.
People should be allowed to say whatever they want, however ignorant, dumb, and hateful they may be. This undesirable figure of speech is a risk we run in a free society, and it's not Twitter or Facebook's responsibility to infringe on this liberty of free speech. If I'm hateful or ignorant, unfriend me. Just as I would unfriend them. Outside of flagging dangerously wrong or false information from news or bloggers, nothing more should be censored. The onus is on us to be intelligent and civil to one another. If we can't we can;t, but we should go down in that fight with liberty wrapped in our hands.
I gave up on "Suckerbook", aka Facebook, years ago since imo it is all about mostly mindless drivel, etc, etc and appeasing the snowflake minorities and Trolls that infest it.
At least with Agnostics.com we CAN speak our minds, Trolls may exist there in disguise at times BUT we can insults, ridicule and deride them at our pleasure as part of our RIGHT to Free Speech and Expression.
Freedom of speech, in the USA, is only guaranteed from the government. Individuals don't have to give that leeway to others. And one thing we know about corporations from FEC v. Citizens United is that corporations are people too, able to enjoy the rights afforded to all people.
I'm thinking of how the NFL at the start of every season has "points of emphasis" (penalties the league wants to see enforced more often) for their referees. And as usual the games have strange and crazy calls by the officials.
In a similar vein, I don't see anything changing on Facebook. My political friends (both liberal and conservative alike) will occasionally whine that FB is on the other side and play victim.
Life will go on and I'll still love them.