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Is there a difference between Patriotism and Nationalism?

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Not in superficial minds.
Patriotism is paying taxes and serving in the military or cleaning your local park with volunteers or 10,000 other things you can do to be of service to our nation.
What’s not patriotism is putting up a flag, especially a confederate flag, or saying a politician isn’t a patriot because they didn’t wear a flag pin on their lapel. Blaming immigrants and political rivals for things that have nothing at all to do with them.
There’s nothing as Nationalistic as calling the News Media the “Enemy of the people.”

Mortal Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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Patriotism is supporting the ideals of your country and specifically the constitution of your country. National is just an us vs them mentality and attitude.

jlynn37 Level 8 Dec 6, 2018
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Both are pretty meaningless, and far too many people do terrible things in the name of either.

KKGator Level 9 Dec 6, 2018
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Yes. Patriotism is taking pride in the achievements and attributes of one’s country and it’s people. Nationalism is the placing of one’s own country and compatriots above all other nations, and wanting exclusionist policies to keep it separate.

Marionville Level 8 Dec 6, 2018
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A Patriot would welcome and help an asylum seeker. A nationalist would build a wall to keep then out.

Anonbene Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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If there is, it isn't much. Both are divisive and create an "us vs them" mentality.

IAMGROOT Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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There is a difference, many have already pointed them out here. Patriotism is being proud of your countries achievements and maybe campaigning for it to go further. Nationalism is thinking is terms of nations. Yours being the at the top and seeking to undermine others.

@273kelvin Patriotism is national pride. As I said, it creates division. I view this negatively.

@IAMGROOT It used to be the case that socialists in my country would take the same view as yourself. After all the have the queen, legacy of empire and all that. Now there is a different view. It states that we can be proud of things like our national heath service, social care and multicultural society etc.

@273kelvin An example of the negative "Patriotism" I am talking about in the US is Confederate flag-waving "Christian" lunatics, or the forced patriotism of being forced to recite the pledge of allegiance. There's nothing wrong with having a warm and fuzzy feeling of pride in your country's achievements (such as the immense pride early American/US citizens must have felt as they were living, literally, the free lives as intended under the newly-minted US Constitution). These days, my stomach turns when active duty or retired military spew shit about how they fight for our freedoms. I am an Air Force veteran and thank goodness I never had to serve in a theater of war. Sorry, went off on a little tangent there and realize this now doesn't make much sense. LOL!

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There is a difference in that patriotism seeks to celebrate one's nation's positive achievements, like for us here in the UK that would be Stonehenge and the NHS and thats kinda it really. Nationalism seeks to define one's nation and it's population as superior and therefore of more worth than the population of others. It is where the philosophies of a 'master race' and ultimately facism

Amisja Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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Hmmm saved without me clicking....as I was saying...came from.
I am not patriotic for England (I separate it from the other nations of GB), I am ashamed of a great deal of it's history which I have undoubtedly benefited from. Much of the current global problems (especially the ME) are a direct result of British intervention. I am incredibly proud of being from the north west though.

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Patriotism is focused on constructing the tallest building in town. Nationalism is more concerned with knocking the other buildings down.

mattersauce Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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Not a fan of either concept, but nationalism has a strong element of racism connected to it. The "nation" in nationalist is always ultimately referencing one race or ethnic group as superior/dominant. IMO, patriotism in the US has been tightly interwoven with nationalism and is used as a kind of code word for "really a nationalist."

PalacinkyPDX Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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yes they are spelt very differently

LeighShelton Level 8 Dec 6, 2018
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I couldnt care less about either.

Gooniesnvrdie Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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Massive difference.

maxhyde Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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Merriam Webster has a nice article on the two terms.

[merriam-webster.com]

Lutherzme Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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Thanks for the link...it’s sometimes confusing, but there us most definitely a marked difference.

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I truly believe that there is a great division between these concepts. Patriotism is about the respect and loyalty to one's country. Nationalism is believing that a nation benefits from being independent of other nations and not operating on a global or international basis. The latter can be very detrimental as occurred with Germany during the second World War or more recently as trumpy is doing. Patriotism can go wrong also but Nationalism almost always hurts it's population more . We have learned it is more beneficial for everyone to build on each other's strengths than to think you can do it by yourself. Trump's Nationalism is hurting the USA . He has offended our allies to the point if we were to go to war we would be by ourselves. Trade and his tariff's has hurt the world economies. As always in these situations those who are well off are becoming better off while the population as a whole is suffering. I will take Patriotism over Nationalism everyday.

Marine Level 8 Dec 6, 2018
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"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. By saying ' Our interests first, who cares about the others', we erase what a nation holds dearest, what gives it life, what gives it grace and what is essential: its moral values."
Emmanuel Macron

Andy4608 Level 4 Dec 7, 2018
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Correct

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A patriot loves his or he country and thinks it the best place to live
A nationalist loves his or her race/nationality and thinks it the best thing to be.

LenHazell53 Level 8 Dec 6, 2018
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Yup

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A nationalist will blindly support their nation whatever they do. A patriot will fight their nation if the nation loses its way.

powder Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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True as now

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Patriotism honors ones home and history. Nationalism is pompous selfishness.

hankster Level 8 Dec 6, 2018
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Correct

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Don't like either of them. Brings on hate and misery.

Jolanta Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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Co not agree

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Patriotism is one component of nationalism.
Nationalism is the ideology that justify the viability of huge tribes that we call nation. Without nationalism would be impossible to govern countries as big as they are now without really violent military elite.
The point is that this ideology worked so well that we think now it is natural to be on the same group of a person that lives in the other corner of the country.
For the american (the continent not m'urica ) countries that mostly lost their native roots (I would say today only Peru, Chile, Bolívia and Paraguai preserves The original native culture somehow) it does not make that sense because the nation was built on immigrant assimilation, but for European, Asian and African countries that are really defined by how they are different from the neighbours this concept is central.
Patriotism is the will to defend and protect any member or territory of the tribe that can be attacked from outside or inside. Also in imperialistic concepts, fighting outside of this borders for economic interests or to protect the land from an enemy that has zero chances of launching an attack is a corruption of this concept, using it as marketing for economic gains of a small elite.

Pedrohbds Level 6 Dec 6, 2018
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I would not wish to live in any of those mentioned.

@Marine What, which, why? Where this comment comes from and please show me how it is an answer to mine?

@Pedrohbds Just a statement that I would prefer to live in the USA having been to those four countries when Iwas in the military. They were not anyplace I would want to live even with their native populations in tact/

@Marine they have traces of their old culture, but completly destroyed by European and US imperialism...

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Excess of any ism can bring fascism

Morganfreeman Level 8 Dec 6, 2018
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Patriotism is an ideology and nationalism is a behavior.
And depending on who you ask they will have different meanings.
Like for me patriotism means being mindful and loyal to your country and nationalism means that I openly promote and bolster my country above all others.

But thanks to Hitler and now the trump fear factory nationalism is viewed as a brand of white supremacy with fascist ideology.

That’s my take on it all

48thRonin Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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A marked difference.

Deb57 Level 7 Dec 6, 2018
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