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It seems that being atheist or agnostic is now looked at as a type of religion

By NormanKickery4
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It is a line of BS pushed by theists, whose next move is usually to try to change the burden of proof from, prove there is a god, to, prove there is no god. They think that if they can force an acceptance of atheism/agnostic as a religion, then you have to prove your faith in your religion just as much as they do.

Fernapple Level 7 Jan 11, 2019

You nailed it. They also seem to be married to the idea of "worship" by suggesting that in lieu of god we worship ourselves, or we worship science. I find the idea of worshiping anything repugnant, but above all I loathe the idea of any entity that expects it of us.

There is NO problem proving what is the real world.

@pasha-one-nine Then they often use the . "So you think you are smarter than god." Line. Actually I think that my next door neighbour but one's nine year old is smarter than their god.

@Fernapple LOL! I bet they mean the God of the Bible, which be shown to not exist, so I am smarter than their non-existent god by definition. smile001.gif

@irascible When you write a work of fiction, you can of course make your hero as smart as you like. So somebody really messed up.

@KissedbySun Good variation on the , one god more argument. Must try to remember that one.


Only by people who do not know better.

Jolanta Level 8 Jan 11, 2019

It's just theists trying to frame the conversation to their advantage.

I think it is more likely lack of education and narrow mindedness. Many believe Buddhism to be a religion, but it is is a practice, much like Yoga.


It's because of the thought barrier that traps their frame of reference.

Byrdsfan Level 8 Jan 11, 2019

Certainly some individuals present their atheistic religious opinions in a rigid and religious-like way, and can not tolerate any other view.

Whether a person is a robot-like Bible thumper or a raging, robot-like atheist doesn’t matter—they are both blind and the difference between them is only one of labeling.


it is only looked at as a religion by people who cannot comprehend not believing in a religion. but actually atheism isn't the absense of a religion. it's the absence of a deity. there are plenty of people who don't belong to a named religion but still believe in some kind of deity. i like this old chestnut: atheism is a religion the way bald is a hair color.


genessa Level 8 Jan 11, 2019

How many times have people asked me incredulously, "What, so you believe in... Nothing???"

My response is always "I believe in everything in reality and in the real world. Look around you, be observant and you will see it".


it is the absence of religion

It is absence of gods.


Anybody who regards atheism as a type of religion is severely cognitively challenged.

irascible Level 8 Jan 11, 2019

Religion says 'believe it'. Science says 'prove it'. Atheism is indeed another form of religion. The atheist says 'there is no god, no great pumpkin, no great bunny rabbit, no way, no how!'. Yet, they cannot prove, or disprove their assertion. They just expect you to believe it. That's why I choose to be agnostic. Agnosticism is the scientific approach.

davknight Level 7 Jan 11, 2019

With you on that. I say “Agnostic” for the same reason. Things may be improbable, based on what we know, but that does not make them impossible.

Are you also agnostic about the flying spaghetti monster? smile001.gif

It is trivial to show that both the God of the Bible and the God of the Torah cannot exist. All other gods remain fictional.


In some contexts it’s justified, as an expedient. White isn’t a color, but if you’re trying to register your white car with the state and they ask what color it is, you say without hesitation, white. You don’t stand there and argue that your car has no color.

skado Level 8 Jan 11, 2019

In the same way not collecting stamps is a hobby.


That's theist's trying to bring you down to their level in order to assert that your belief is no more valid than theirs. Many can't deal with ambiguity and don't see that it's not necessary for everyone to "pitch in" with some particular doctrine. Others are comfortable with Agnostics, because that position doesn't pose a great threat to their's, unlike the concept of Atheism, which directly implies that they are wrong.

Rossy92 Level 8 Jan 12, 2019

"It seems that being atheist or agnostic is now looked at as a type of religion"

Only by arse holes

I asked this early this morning

@NormanKickery and your point is?

My error sorry


They (the believers) have to do that.
It's justification for their own delusions.
Fuck them.

KKGator Level 9 Jan 11, 2019

Yep, and tofu's a kind of meat.


Who says? And why are you listening to them?

I do not listen to them i am just curious that our educations are lacking due to religious indoctrination.Some can not accept that some do not believe in a divine being.


My impression gained from this website is that many if not most atheists have firm beliefs that are not subject to change by empirical evidence.

doug6352 Level 7 Jan 11, 2019

Not at all. Its a nothing were for other people there is a something.

Amisja Level 8 Jan 11, 2019

People conflate different kinds of beliefs with religious beliefs. Read Why Bad Beliefs Don’t Die by Gregory Lester.

ToolGuy Level 8 Jan 12, 2019

If so, then those who do so are in error.

By their reasoning, then never learning brings/gives/creates wisdom.

snytiger6 Level 9 Jan 11, 2019

I had to argue with some who swear it is, smh

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