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As a parental father figure,Old Testament God does not appear to like children very much (or uses their suffering to threaten their parents to obey him...).[thebricktestament.com] Are we parents supposed to use God as a role model? I have always found this as an odd example to model a healthy parent child relationship.

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The Jews did use Yahweh as a role model:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 New International Version (NIV)
A Rebellious Son
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Exactly...fear of punishment...well more like fear of death, exactly what we want to use as motivators for our kids(???!!!). This idea of a community stoning their young for being young (determined and challenging boundaries) is exactly why we should be concerned about the kind of human this produces as a result.

@mojo5501 That is the MO of religion: control by fear. Non religious people do it, too, but do not have god to justify the manipulation.

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The same problem with Zeus and the box he gives to Pandora. These gods are just not suitable carers or guardians. I ask you, makes you long for the days when the Nephilim roamed the Earth. At least you knew they were probably BAD unlike this conditional bullshit from the Abrahamic lot..

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If this God did exist CRPS (Cosmic Racial Protective Services) would have removed the Jews from his care and placed them in the care of a foster God for their own protection after the garden of Eden fiasco. Who leaves the tree of knowledge unlocked let alone let's the kids play in the same room with it when the gods gone to the store for smokes?

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If he drowned teenagers once in a while, he would get my vote.

brentan Level 8 Mar 15, 2019

SOME teenagers, yeah.

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Personally I can't use that which does not exist as a role model.

ipdg77 Level 8 Mar 15, 2019
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No

towkneed Level 7 Mar 15, 2019
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"Dash their brains out against the rocks." Not great child care I think.

Fernapple Level 7 Mar 15, 2019

The very example I mean to give: a threat to do this, or actually doing this "as a lesson" is the parental role of an angry, vengeful god. Very Old Testament...very much a capricious supernatural authority figure.

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The OT god is not a good role model for anything. He was a jealous tribal god and in some scriptures his name comes out literally as "Jealous."

DenoPenno Level 8 Mar 15, 2019

I didn't know that!

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What I’ve noticed is how quickly children pick up on someone reflecting reality ..as opposed to what appears to them as make-believe behaviour expectations. Makes them a lot easier to be around, too.

There’s nothing even remotely resembling ‘a god’ having the least effect on our existence, or theirs. The sooner we, as parents, reflect that ..the sooner our children focus on the realities of life..

Talked with my youngest this after noon ...I did good smile001.gif

Varn Level 8 Mar 14, 2019

I identified reality from fantasy way early in my childhood. I remember thinking to myself how utterly ludicrous it all was when we were assigned to read the bibble. When I tell my grandkids they don't have to believe in any god or the accompanying b.s.,they look relieved, laugh nervously and look over their shoulders for their parents (they go to church) lol

@Freespirit64 Exactly smile001.gif

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I think that people project onto god whatever their experience of fathering is. If they had a good father, they see god as that good, loving, strong but tender father. If they had an authoritarian, controlling, shaming father, then they see that in god. And so on.

In other words they have an ideal of fatherhood and project that onto god, and cherry pick the parts of scripture that support that projection.

mordant Level 8 Mar 14, 2019
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No do not use god as a role model. if you do your kids will end up in prison. teach them your own values and ethics in accordance to reality

There is a book that gave examples of how to live 'biblically' that came out about 10 years ago...[challies.com] It would be ironic to have a book that showed us how to parent 'biblically', tongue in check...not serious but satire. Of course it would have to be written by an atheist and or comedian. (ha)

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Not much different than Harod? Was Harod the king that killed many children in an attempt to kill baby Jesus?

Antifred Level 7 Mar 14, 2019

And from the movie Ten Commandments I still remember how the first born sons of certain families were either killed or spared depending on lambs' blood painted on their door ways...as a kid, that kind of image sticks! Some sort of green creepy fog represented God's punishment if I recall.

@mojo5501 Yeah, the Abrahamic God never seems to get its hands dirty/soiled does it?
Instead it always sends in some rank, idiotic, deluded fool/s or other 'entity' to do the dirty work.

@Triphid Consider Adolph Hitler. What did he study I understand, Revelations - 1000 years reign and paganism or occult?

Catholic a merger of Judism and paganism?

Biblical God "good shepard". Jews, the sheep. It makes for an observation that Adolph was something demon posessed by the "good shepard" that wanted some sheep sent to slaughter.

It is spelled Herod, not Harod btw, and you'll find that there were 2 (two) actual Herods, the first being Herod the Great and the second being Herod Antipater, or commonly known as, Antipas.
Herod Antipas was a Vassal KIng/Tetrach installed by the Romans to the Judaean Throne after running into exile after the death of his father Herod the Great and the death of his brother.
Also, there is NO truth to the biblical myth that either Herod set out to kill all male children/infants to eradicate the assumed 'threat' thought to be presaged by the 'birth' of a 'new' Hebrew King.

@Antifred It is also spelled SHEPHERD, NOT shepard btw.
Hitler and his Nazis killed well over 15 Million people during and before WWII, the Abrahamic God/Jesus SLAUGHTERED the entire HUMAN population, save 8 people, with the biblical Flood, numerous neighboring nations of people during the Hebrew Exodus ( which history has proven to NEVER have happened) the entire population of 2 cities, caused at least massive Crusades and no-one truly knows for sure the deaths of how many peaceful Native peoples in lands invade and stolen by Christians ever since.
In comparison to the Judaeo-Christian religions, the Nazis were mere 'beginners' in my opinion.
Now, Antifred, please take note, I NO LONGER desire nor wish to debate/discuss ANY matters with since, in my opinion, you and your 'comments,etc, ' make about as much sense as pouring tons of High Octane on a house-fire to put the fire out would.

@Triphid Unfortunately archaeologists have yet to excavate the archives of the Jerusalem Post from the year 4 BC! Nor does the first century AD Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus record this event in any of his writings. Even though secular history is silent on this event it does not mean it did not occur. When the life of Herod the Great is examined, this event is very consistent with his character and actions so this is pointing to the fact that it did happen as recorded in Holy Scripture.<a href="http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/12/08/The-Slaughter-of-the-Innocents-Historical-Fact-or-Legendary-Fiction.aspx#Article" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" class="forumlink">[biblearchaeology.org]

@Triphid shepherd did not spell check correct automatically, complaining to me doesn't fix spell checker.

@Antifred Can't you read or something? I stated CLEARLY that I no longer had any wish nor desire to discuss or debate ANTHING with you.

@Triphid That is fine if you care not to chat. But maybe you do not understand, I am not forcing you to make any replies. Please, if you feel so inclined to not chat then don't reply. Thanks.

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I think any parent using "GOD" as a role model has some deep and serious issues - but not necessarily their own fault; too many people have been raised with religion telling them what to do, and the cycle continues... I have never viewed the xtian god as benevolent, not kind and nurturing in any way. The xtian power has always been through the use of threats and promises of hell and damnation for so-called bad actions. Or the promise of some mythical "heaven" for well-behaved children. I preferred to show my children by example what I thought was the good way to live. I have three very well-adjusted, contributing, and happy adult children. I like to think that I was able to raise them well without any religion in their lives; morals and ethics, definitely, but no religion!!

Rustee Level 7 Mar 14, 2019

Yes, I agree. It's as if the best parenting style may well be the opposite of these examples in the Bible. I am also the parent of two adult children who were raised free from religion.

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Yeah, I also heard that in the book of Romans, God made one of his kids drive to the convenient store to get him more beer when he was to drunk to do so. That sounds like terrible parenting and I don’t think we should follow that model.

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Are you kidding? Look how he treated his only son! What a dick.

Sticks48 Level 9 Mar 14, 2019

Oh but remember...somehow that was still god

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In my opinion, if you are one who could/would believe and accept such irrational and unsupported nonsense, then you most likely would be a parent and a person that would do exactly that, as many believers demonstrate every day.

jlynn37 Level 8 Mar 14, 2019
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