The ethics of eating animals. Some argue that god granted man dominion over all living things. Others point out that most animals wouldn’t even be alive it it were not for the fact they were bred to be eaten so that gives them purpose.
Perhaps we can have a dialogue about the ethics of eating meat (cows, pigs, fowl, exotic animals, dogs, cats).
I no longer eat much meat, but sometimes I do, and I enjoy it.
That said, I don't think I have any business telling anyone else what they "should" or "shouldn't" eat, or why.
Vegans, vegetarians, and everyone else are free to do whatever they please.
As long as they don't get all preachy about it.
I am a livestock farmer, small scale and my animals are loved and cared for and sent to humane slaughter. Factory farms are another story. I do eat meat as part of my meal and not as the star of it. I also eat a lot of meals with no meat whatsoever. As Angloph pointed out, we are Omnivores and we do need protein. Soybean is the only complete protein and you need all of the various parts to be healthy. Meat gives a lot of healthy benefits. I am against factory farms as I believe an animal should have a happy healthy life if it is going to give that up to feed us.
So are bugs included? I don't mean to be confrontational at all and really wonder - Is meat an ethical issue because animal pain is observable to us and pain is something we share and avoid? If not and the ethics are around taking life, then what exempts plant life? We have to eat, so ethically, where do you draw the line? I can understand an injunction on taking any life as I can see life as an ethically axiomatic good, but then all that leaves is fallen fruit and already dead animals, which is not workable. The day that all food can be produced in a lab from material that was never living - in a cost effictive way - then I might adopt the "meat is unethical" position. Extended to all living things. Until then I feel that seeing meat as not ethical would be based upon a contrivance of subjective appearances which some may not share.
And I am ignoring the microscopic in this argument. Any injunction against taking microscopic life would make movement, including and especially bathing, impossible.
I don't have any ethical qualms about consuming meat, but I do have qualms about the health and welfare of animals raised in factory farms. There's also a lot of ecological damage done to the planet in the process of raising animals for food at scale.
I doubt I would ever completely eliminate meat from my diet, but I am very excited about the progress being made in cultured meat production. Some of the benefits are, it's cruelty free, better for the environment, and potentially healthier. Although the process is currently expensive, reaching scale production should drive down prices until its at parity or even cheaper than slaughtered meat.
Gods had nothing to do with humans eating meat. Meat is protein. Humans are animals that need protein. The animals that you mentioned, the ones that we have selectively bred, have been bred to be more docile and more stupid than their ancestors so humans could obtain them more easier.
Ethics? Well, most people don't want to think about how an animal dies, nor get their own hands bloody anymore. I don't hunt because I never liked taking a life; but I can, and I have in the past. Animals eat animals. I may fear being hunted by another apex predator, but I don't blame that animal. Tribal people don't have an ethical dilemma with killing and eating animals. I, too, don't have a problem eating most meats. I do think animals should not needlessly suffer so I won't eat veal or liver patte. I believe cruelty to animals is wrong; I also know that statistically those who hurt animals for pleasure are more likely to hurt another human.
Now, for a real leap, if it came down to survival, I believe humans would eat other humans. I took Naval law in the early 80's (so not sure this is still true) and if shipwrecked, it is legal to eat those that die. Up until the late 1800's it used to be legal to draw straws when near starvation occurred (that was finally changed after a case of, did these guys wait long enough). Anyway, I rambled long enough.
I don't eat cows or pigs but I eat fish and fowl. I was a vegetarian for three years and could never quash the need for meat protein.
I know why people in the USA raise a fuss about eating cats, dogs, and horses, but I can't see it any different from eating cows and pigs.
On the other hand, as I have stated many times, I would a human if he/she were made into a green cracker.
I have not eaten cows or pigs for so long that the thought of eating bacon nauseates me. The smell of hamburger cooking also nauseates me.
I strongly believe that animals for slaughter need to be raised humanely--that is where the ethical issues arise for me.
I see no ethics in the eating of animals, only the care of them while they are being raised for slaughter. That is where my objection comes into it.
Humans are omnivores so there's no ethical question about eating what is natural to our species. We don't question the ethics of lions or predatory birds or fish or any other creature that eats other animals so why make us special. I do object to mistreatment of animals, whether they are wild, domesticated or a food source. It's not humane of us to make their lives miserable.
When I raised animals on the farm (calves, lambs, goats) for food or for pets (rabbits, cats, dogs, reptiles ect.) our animals ate the best feed, had the best living habitat and the best vet care. We nurtured them lovingly even though some were destined for slaughter. They ate before we did and their quality of life was as good as our own. Ethical animal husbandry is doable, even on a grand scale. It will cost more but it's still doable.
Something must be said about MONSANTO, the billion dollar company that is poisoning our soil and our seeds and subsequently, the food we all eat. Poison is their product, such as Agent Orange in the war with Viet Nam. In their quest to eliminate weeds and pests, they have only created super weeds and super bugs. They monkey with seeds to make them open to receiving lots of their glyphosate, a cancer-causing insecticide that permeates our food supply. Already there have been successfull suits for millions in the courts for having caused cancer. DON'T BUY AND USE THEIR ROUNDUP ON YOUR LAWNS. Then these nasty greed mongers actually demand that farmers only use their seeds and throw away any excess so that they have to keep buying this garbage every year. In India there has been an epidemic of suicides by farmers who were caught up in their snare. The country of Paraguay, a land locked country in South America, was once verdant, richly green, until Monsanto sold them on using their new "scientific" products. Green turned to brown. They destroyed the richness of this country's agriculture. Monsanto is banned in many countries in Europe. Why not here? The answer is money and bribery and Bill Gates. My advice: EAT ORGANIC. It's your best bet even though it can't be perfect.
This is an example of why I point out the difference between SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY. They snow everyone by claiming this is science. It is Technology that bastardizes science. Let's get very clear in our thinking so that those greed mongers can't confuse us!!!
Don't even need to look at the report. I passed that issue over 20 years ago. Eating is a sensuous experience. It includes most of not all the senses. We, here in the 21st century do not need to eat something that is horrible for the environment, violent for the animals and bad for our bodies. For me to eat meat would add an unacceptable level of guilt. Pleasure should not include guilt and pain to other sentient beings.
I have hope for lab grown alternatives coming down the pipeline in the future. Though I doubt they will ever entirely eradicate the meat farming industry, such meats don't have too. If such meats become cheaper to produce enmass than factory farmed products, hopefully this will allow smaller farmers to earn more value from their real meat. In the same way that people idolize the organic label today, frankly.
Though I am not against the trend of the impossible vegie burger (and other non-proprietary such types), they are definitely not the same. And at the moment, WAY overpriced in comparison to good ole ground beef.
Reminds me of the ass backwards reality of it being cheaper to heat a home with natural gas in comparison to mostly climate neutral electricity (at least where I live).
Gone are the days of the small family farms that cared for their animals before they slaughtered them for the table. First, the way commercial farming treats these animals is beyond disgraceful. We pay the price when we eat animals that have been tortured and living in their own excrement. I refuse to support this. Secondly, whether or not to become a vegetarian or vegan...at least it is healthier to eat much less flesh food. The extreme demand for meat leads to clogged arteries and shortened lives...to say nothing of the damage done to the planet. As for fish, we are over fishing so that we are depleting the supply. Add that to the wanton polluting of our oceans that are turning from alkaline to acid, overrun with lice from too much farmed fish...What a mess. And nothin is worse than eating farmed fish. You should see the gray corpses loaded with lice that we eat before they are painted pink. Vegans are healthier people. And there is much that can be learned from researching vegan sources of protein and B 12 plus creative ways to prepare all sorts of vegetables and salads plus fruits. All those antioxidants...Wow! what a feast!!!!.